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		<title>Comment on Are Demons Real? —PART 2 by Jens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jens</dc:creator>
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		<description>Again, Lama Jinpa presents a bone full of juicy meat to chew on… high octane stuff! This discussion is really quite important!

The whole &quot;if you can measure it, it exists and if you can&#039;t measure it then it doesn&#039;t exist&quot; approach reflects (as Ken McLeod has pointed out) the preoccupation of Western philosophy with onthology, in contrast with the Buddhist emphasis on epistemology. Frankly, I think the arrogant interpretative prerogative of the quantitative paradigm of the Enlightenment will be the bane of Western culture and civilization. It is a great and powerful servant, but a merciless master. This paradigm cannot account for life in full because not everything can be measured. Nor can it adress the great questions of life. And how would you quantify, and measure &quot;Boddhichitta&quot;?

Furthermore, if demons are mere psychological projections and not real in a relative sense, then presumably other disembodied entities do not exist either. (Unless one thinks all disembodied entities are non-demonic – which seems blantantly absurd in a Buddhist perspective.) If there are no disembodied entities, then it will be very difficult to make sense of the concept of pure land, form and formless realms. It would then also seem that of the six realms only the animal and human realm would be &quot;real&quot; while the other realms would presumably only be reflecting various states of mind. From that, I gather that one could only be reincarnated as a human or animal which would invalidate the endlessness of Samsara. I could go on and on and on, but my (albeit ignorant) concern about the deeply problematic implications of reducing demons to the status of psychological projections in Tibetan Buddhism should be clear enough. Or did I miss something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, Lama Jinpa presents a bone full of juicy meat to chew on… high octane stuff! This discussion is really quite important!</p>
<p>The whole &#8220;if you can measure it, it exists and if you can&#8217;t measure it then it doesn&#8217;t exist&#8221; approach reflects (as Ken McLeod has pointed out) the preoccupation of Western philosophy with onthology, in contrast with the Buddhist emphasis on epistemology. Frankly, I think the arrogant interpretative prerogative of the quantitative paradigm of the Enlightenment will be the bane of Western culture and civilization. It is a great and powerful servant, but a merciless master. This paradigm cannot account for life in full because not everything can be measured. Nor can it adress the great questions of life. And how would you quantify, and measure &#8220;Boddhichitta&#8221;?</p>
<p>Furthermore, if demons are mere psychological projections and not real in a relative sense, then presumably other disembodied entities do not exist either. (Unless one thinks all disembodied entities are non-demonic – which seems blantantly absurd in a Buddhist perspective.) If there are no disembodied entities, then it will be very difficult to make sense of the concept of pure land, form and formless realms. It would then also seem that of the six realms only the animal and human realm would be &#8220;real&#8221; while the other realms would presumably only be reflecting various states of mind. From that, I gather that one could only be reincarnated as a human or animal which would invalidate the endlessness of Samsara. I could go on and on and on, but my (albeit ignorant) concern about the deeply problematic implications of reducing demons to the status of psychological projections in Tibetan Buddhism should be clear enough. Or did I miss something?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are Demons Real? —PART 2 by joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Demon wisperer - I love it!  Your picture in this context is really cool!
2. As a recovering Scientific Materialist I would call it rather belief system than religion.  Which probably does not matter at all.
3. I would not blame it on commercials only.  I have no TV, do not listen to radio or so called &quot;music&quot; (music I like nobody else wants to listen to) and still just being in the office and dealing with people&#039;s issues crates to much in my head.  Seems like our culture goesa this way: everybody competes for attention by putting volume higher.
Beside that I like the way you put it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Demon wisperer &#8211; I love it!  Your picture in this context is really cool!<br />
2. As a recovering Scientific Materialist I would call it rather belief system than religion.  Which probably does not matter at all.<br />
3. I would not blame it on commercials only.  I have no TV, do not listen to radio or so called &#8220;music&#8221; (music I like nobody else wants to listen to) and still just being in the office and dealing with people&#8217;s issues crates to much in my head.  Seems like our culture goesa this way: everybody competes for attention by putting volume higher.<br />
Beside that I like the way you put it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Signs III by Yinuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yinuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 14:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow this is amazing! thank you very much for sharing all thit Lama-la ! I did not know there were several &quot;kind&quot; of Dakinis, very interesting, I learn a lot! :)
There are always signs on our path, we just have to be abble to recognise them, you are so good for that ! Best wishes :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow this is amazing! thank you very much for sharing all thit Lama-la ! I did not know there were several &#8220;kind&#8221; of Dakinis, very interesting, I learn a lot! <img src='http://www.machikcholing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
There are always signs on our path, we just have to be abble to recognise them, you are so good for that ! Best wishes <img src='http://www.machikcholing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on The faithful by Yinuna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yinuna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Aug 2010 13:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Lama-la this is a good reminder for us too on what is the real devotion in our practice...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Lama-la this is a good reminder for us too on what is the real devotion in our practice&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Are Demons Real? — PART 1 by dharmadhava</title>
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		<dc:creator>dharmadhava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 02:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!  Exactly!  They are as real as we are.  Because we can´t always see them doesn´t mean they do not exist.  It is like that movie quote &quot;The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to make people believe he didn´t exist.&quot;  If that person had read more about the history of the Vajrayana, he would have little doubts that demons and maras are real.  Next time he meets a Raksha, tell him to tell it that is it not real.  That will be right before it lops his head off.  

The solution is simply more research on the part of the practitioner.  You can not pick and choose the warm and fuzzy parts.  You need to extensively read the lives of the Bodhisattvas and Mahasiddhas.  Even b4 that, just read accounts of Buddha Shakyamuni´s life himself.  He met more than once with the maras.  And not figuratively.  Take the story of Lord Dzambhala who saved Buddha Shakyamuni from an attack by the maras.  This was after his illumination.  

My god people, who do you think is running most of the world these days?  People entranced by demons.

And if no demons, what the need for Dharmapalas?  And all those weapons?  Logic and research quickly dispells the theory of only demons as kleshas.  While they sure do make use of them!

Sarva Mangalam

 
People have done the opposite to Buddhism as to what they have to other religions.  They have made it more figurative than it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice!  Exactly!  They are as real as we are.  Because we can´t always see them doesn´t mean they do not exist.  It is like that movie quote &#8220;The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to make people believe he didn´t exist.&#8221;  If that person had read more about the history of the Vajrayana, he would have little doubts that demons and maras are real.  Next time he meets a Raksha, tell him to tell it that is it not real.  That will be right before it lops his head off.  </p>
<p>The solution is simply more research on the part of the practitioner.  You can not pick and choose the warm and fuzzy parts.  You need to extensively read the lives of the Bodhisattvas and Mahasiddhas.  Even b4 that, just read accounts of Buddha Shakyamuni´s life himself.  He met more than once with the maras.  And not figuratively.  Take the story of Lord Dzambhala who saved Buddha Shakyamuni from an attack by the maras.  This was after his illumination.  </p>
<p>My god people, who do you think is running most of the world these days?  People entranced by demons.</p>
<p>And if no demons, what the need for Dharmapalas?  And all those weapons?  Logic and research quickly dispells the theory of only demons as kleshas.  While they sure do make use of them!</p>
<p>Sarva Mangalam</p>
<p>People have done the opposite to Buddhism as to what they have to other religions.  They have made it more figurative than it is.</p>
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